{"id":1599,"date":"2024-02-29T12:33:53","date_gmt":"2024-02-29T12:33:53","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/everydayphotography.org\/journal\/?p=1599"},"modified":"2024-03-08T11:21:01","modified_gmt":"2024-03-08T11:21:01","slug":"on-visual-literacy-and-framing-the-world-through-the-cameras-lens","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/everydayphotography.org\/journal\/on-visual-literacy-and-framing-the-world-through-the-cameras-lens","title":{"rendered":"On visual literacy and framing the world through the camera\u2019s lens"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading has-text-align-center\">Interview with Axel Danielson and Maximilien Van Aertryck, directors of the movie <em>And the King Said, What a Fantastic Machine<\/em><\/h4>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-text-align-center wp-block-paragraph\">by\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/everydayphotography.org\/journal\/by-roza-tekla-szilagyi\">R\u00f3za Tekla Szil\u00e1gyi<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-text-align-center wp-block-paragraph\">The camera as a tool has a fascinating story. In the beginning there was one apparatus and two hundred years later we can say that the history of this much used equipment is one of the biggest success stories in humanity\u2019s existence. Why? That one camera turned into more than 45 billion cameras, hence taking into consideration the effects of this highly popular tool on our society is a due task \u2013 and as an institution focusing on everyday imaging we are more than glad when we can talk to people who have the same questions fuelling their practices.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-text-align-center wp-block-paragraph\">Filmmakers Axel Danielson and Maximilien Van Aertryck\u2019s movie titled the&nbsp;<em>And the King Said, What a Fantastic Machine&nbsp;<\/em>is on a mission to measure the depth of humanity\u2019s infatuation with framing the world through the camera\u2019s lens; chronicling how we went from capturing the image of a backyard to a multi-billion-euro content industry in just 200 years.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-block-embed-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"&quot;And the King Said, What a Fantastic Machine&quot; | Trailer | Berlinale 2023\" width=\"500\" height=\"281\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/DOS2Q2rYwkA?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\"\/>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns is-layout-flex wp-container-core-columns-is-layout-8f761849 wp-block-columns-is-layout-flex\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\" style=\"flex-basis:66.66%\">\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>The movie focuses on the history of humankind\u2019s relationship with the camera. Do you think it's important to differentiate between professionals and amateurs when we are talking about the camera\u2019s effect on our society?&nbsp;<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\" style=\"flex-basis:33.33%\"><\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns is-layout-flex wp-container-core-columns-is-layout-8f761849 wp-block-columns-is-layout-flex\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\" style=\"flex-basis:33.33%\"><\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\" style=\"flex-basis:66.66%\">\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Axel Danielson:<\/strong> The distinction between amateur and professional is something that you don't have to take into consideration. The same way the labels in the film industry make the decision if a film is a drama or a thriller. This is all made up by the distributors, not by the people doing the films. It's all segmented by the economy.<br>And the economy is something that we've looked at closely in the film. We found it really interesting that in the beginning there was no real use for the invention of the camera, the possibility to capture the image inside the camera obscura. The Lumi\u00e8re brothers didn't think that the camera would be anything more than a scientific tool. And when the camera came into the economic system, it found its use in a way. And of course, we are critical towards how the camera is used in our society. Even during the early steps of the history of image making we as camera users created image manipulations, made money by directing the camera towards the naked woman, the sports, the news etc. So the camera has no will, it is only a tool that works as we use it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-block-embed-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Lumiere Brothers Films\" width=\"500\" height=\"281\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/VCR8eENwS3Y?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Maximilien Van Aertryck:<\/strong> At <a href=\"http:\/\/www.plattformproduktion.se\/\">Plattform Produktion<\/a> \u2013 our company \u2013 we are all extremely interested in the potential of the camera and the influence that conveying the world through moving images can have. The reason why we have started working on this film is because we acknowledge that cameras can have such a powerful influence.&nbsp;<br>For me this fascination also comes from the advent of Youtube. It happened around the time we finished film school. It was amazing that during this time you finally could see all these amateurs from all over the world using their cameras and uploading their videos themselves. It felt like the media landscape was becoming richer. Thanks to Youtube you could see more authentic human experiences being conveyed. This is the moment when \u2013 without knowing that one day we would use them in a film \u2013 we started collecting a lot of Youtube clips, but also still images from online magazines and blogs. And we did it because we thought this stuff was telling something very interesting about the relationship between humans and cameras, and how we act in front of or behind the camera.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"554\" src=\"https:\/\/everydayphotography.org\/journal\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/AndTheKingSaidWhatAFantasticMachine_H264_2K-Flat_25fps_CLEAN_20_20230227e0-1024x554.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1665\" srcset=\"https:\/\/everydayphotography.org\/journal\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/AndTheKingSaidWhatAFantasticMachine_H264_2K-Flat_25fps_CLEAN_20_20230227e0-1024x554.png 1024w, https:\/\/everydayphotography.org\/journal\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/AndTheKingSaidWhatAFantasticMachine_H264_2K-Flat_25fps_CLEAN_20_20230227e0-300x162.png 300w, https:\/\/everydayphotography.org\/journal\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/AndTheKingSaidWhatAFantasticMachine_H264_2K-Flat_25fps_CLEAN_20_20230227e0-768x415.png 768w, https:\/\/everydayphotography.org\/journal\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/AndTheKingSaidWhatAFantasticMachine_H264_2K-Flat_25fps_CLEAN_20_20230227e0-1536x830.png 1536w, https:\/\/everydayphotography.org\/journal\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/AndTheKingSaidWhatAFantasticMachine_H264_2K-Flat_25fps_CLEAN_20_20230227e0.png 1998w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-small-font-size wp-block-paragraph\">Still from the movie <em>And the King Said, What a Fantastic Machine<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns is-layout-flex wp-container-core-columns-is-layout-8f761849 wp-block-columns-is-layout-flex\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\" style=\"flex-basis:66.66%\">\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>There is not a lot of original material shot for your movie, you mostly worked with your Internet archive. I really like this idea. Can you please tell me a tiny bit more about your process? I imagine it being a huge archive \u2013 how did you manage to put together such an interesting narrative that tells the story of what we do with the camera and how it changed our society?<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\" style=\"flex-basis:33.33%\"><\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns is-layout-flex wp-container-core-columns-is-layout-8f761849 wp-block-columns-is-layout-flex\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\" style=\"flex-basis:33.33%\"><\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\" style=\"flex-basis:66.66%\">\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Axel Danielson: <\/strong>Thank you for that comment. We counted that about 85 percent of the film is from archival materials. But some of the footage we've collected ourselves. In some cases we had the possibility to be in between the TV cameras and the studio where they send in the video material. For example during Eurovision we've been sitting in a tent outside of the studio, in between the arena and the studio and were collecting the material straight from the cameras. We also shot the part about the kids being photographed themselves. The original idea was to record much more ourselves, but there came the pandemic and things were changing \u2013 in the beginning we were planning the movie to be more about television images.<br>But a lot of things were happening in the world at that time. In 2016, Trump was elected in the United States as a president coming almost straight from being a host of a TV program, then we had Brexit coming up very fast changing people's minds. And we saw the connection of the camera as a tool to the developments in the world. You can really tell that this populism is enhanced by these tools because the images are affecting us and can detour our filters. When this was happening, we changed our minds and made the decision that our movie can't be only about television images. We decided that we want to bring in all of these things we've collected for so many, almost fifteen years.&nbsp;<br>Also, Ruben \u00d6stlund is also part of our company and we work very deeply in each other\u2019s projects. For his movies we would have Youtube videos as references very early because we thought it is a great possibility to see human behaviour in a way that is not yet affected by any dramaturgic means.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-block-embed-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Guy Goma: &#039;Greatest&#039; case of mistaken identity on live TV ever? BBC News\" width=\"500\" height=\"281\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/e6Y2uQn_wvc?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><br>For example the video about when Guy Goma came to the BBC Studio looking for a job as an accountant and was led into the TV studio being mixed up with an expert. We found this clip very early and thought: \u201cWow, this is a super good reference of a person making up his mind in real time and adjusting to the situation and going into a role in just a second\u201d. So Youtube really had that quality in the beginning, you could find the greatest references. You still can find these but you have to really know what to look for to be able to find them.<br>So we've collected all these golden nuggets for a long time. And at a certain point when this political change was happening in the world while looking into the history of the camera we started toying with the idea of having one and a half hours in the cinema. We were trying to find the right format for our idea. We wanted to bring these different thoughts and aspects of people and their cameras to viewers. We wanted to create a movie that allows you to make your own connections. The real struggle was to find the way to assemble our visual materials into a movie. Because when you don't have a main character you don't have the usual dramaturgy, then rhythm becomes very important \u2013 the rhythm of when you are engaged, and not engaged as a viewer. We worked in collaboration with another colleague of ours called Mikel Cee Karlsson, and he's an excellent structure editor.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Maximilien Van Aertryck:<\/strong> We are extremely passionate about how the use of the photographic image in mass media is influencing society. While we were making this film the concept of media and information literacy appeared more and more \u2013 there was even a <a href=\"https:\/\/www.unesco.org\/en\/articles\/media-and-information-literacy\">UNESCO initiative<\/a> to encourage the creation of media and information literacy education in several countries. They have realised that the less citizens understand how democratic processes work \u2013 and so much of that is being conveyed through mass media \u2013 the more democracy is also going down. We deeply believe that more education on how to critically engage with the media will make democracy stronger. This topic is super complex but thankfully we weren't afraid of it, we\u2019ve embraced it. It was helpful to use certain keywords and concepts to navigate. And later in the process came a natural path to have a chronological narrative in the movie and we embraced this idea too. It was very funny to start with the time when there was only one camera in the world and to end the movie at a time where there were 45 billion.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"736\" src=\"https:\/\/everydayphotography.org\/journal\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/Boulevard_du_Temple_by_Daguerre-1024x736.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1616\" srcset=\"https:\/\/everydayphotography.org\/journal\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/Boulevard_du_Temple_by_Daguerre-1024x736.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/everydayphotography.org\/journal\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/Boulevard_du_Temple_by_Daguerre-300x216.jpg 300w, https:\/\/everydayphotography.org\/journal\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/Boulevard_du_Temple_by_Daguerre-768x552.jpg 768w, https:\/\/everydayphotography.org\/journal\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/Boulevard_du_Temple_by_Daguerre-1536x1103.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/everydayphotography.org\/journal\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/Boulevard_du_Temple_by_Daguerre-2048x1471.jpg 2048w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-small-font-size wp-block-paragraph\"><br>The Boulevard du Temple photograph of 1838&nbsp;(or possibly 1837) is one of the earliest surviving daguerreotype plates produced by Louis Daguerre. Although the image seems to be of a deserted street, it is widely considered to be the first photograph to include an image of a human. Source: Wikimedia Commons<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns is-layout-flex wp-container-core-columns-is-layout-8f761849 wp-block-columns-is-layout-flex\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\" style=\"flex-basis:66.66%\">\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>We rarely look at images or videos twice when we are scrolling on our phones. While you were editing the movie, you had the chance to re-watch all of these materials that the average person sees only once. When you finished your project, did you have any conclusion about how these viral video materials are different from other videos? Do you have any conclusion on how our image-making changed based on this new habit of the creation for sharing?<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\" style=\"flex-basis:33.33%\"><\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns is-layout-flex wp-container-core-columns-is-layout-8f761849 wp-block-columns-is-layout-flex\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\" style=\"flex-basis:33.33%\"><\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\" style=\"flex-basis:66.66%\">\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Maximilien Van Aertryck: <\/strong>As we were in the research phase of the movie collecting more material we would stumble upon these clips of people doing crazy and dangerous stuff, like going on top of the skyscraper and hanging on by one hand (as you can see on the movie poster \u2013 the editor). People like that would start having millions of followers by behaving in a very strange way. In the beginning we would look at those images and get an idea that the world has become crazy and the internet is bringing out this stupidity. But the more we worked on the film and the more we questioned those images, we started to understand how this behaviour worked. We understood that all the images are competing against each other in a way, and there is the factor of ad revenue which is a very old model that was basically invented only a few years after the moving image camera was invented. This will then push people to behave in ways that are strange and that can actually be dangerous for them. Our view is that the things shown in the film should not be moralising on the individual. Because everyone's behaviour is a consequence of the economical system that surrounds the use of this technology.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Axel Danielson:<\/strong> In our perspective, the mass media is not something completely different from the so-called old media. Social media grows from the ways of the old media and it will change the game. Going back to the keywords Maximilian was talking about: let\u2019s take perspective, rhythm, convention, intention. Every image has these aspects and every image wants something from you \u2013 to remember a memory or atmosphere, or to sell you something.<br>And if you have these different concepts in mind while looking at each image, you will almost automatically get critical thinking. Then you will wonder when the news tells you something because you will see the construction behind the operation. And that doesn't mean that you don't have to trust anything or any image anymore. We think the opposite. We want to regain the possibility of trusting images so that as humans we actually can use them as a tool collectively.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"554\" src=\"https:\/\/everydayphotography.org\/journal\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/AndTheKingSaidWhatAFantasticMachine_H264_2K-Flat_25fps_CLEAN_20_202302270-1024x554.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1667\" srcset=\"https:\/\/everydayphotography.org\/journal\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/AndTheKingSaidWhatAFantasticMachine_H264_2K-Flat_25fps_CLEAN_20_202302270-1024x554.png 1024w, https:\/\/everydayphotography.org\/journal\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/AndTheKingSaidWhatAFantasticMachine_H264_2K-Flat_25fps_CLEAN_20_202302270-300x162.png 300w, https:\/\/everydayphotography.org\/journal\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/AndTheKingSaidWhatAFantasticMachine_H264_2K-Flat_25fps_CLEAN_20_202302270-768x415.png 768w, https:\/\/everydayphotography.org\/journal\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/AndTheKingSaidWhatAFantasticMachine_H264_2K-Flat_25fps_CLEAN_20_202302270-1536x830.png 1536w, https:\/\/everydayphotography.org\/journal\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/AndTheKingSaidWhatAFantasticMachine_H264_2K-Flat_25fps_CLEAN_20_202302270.png 1998w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"554\" src=\"https:\/\/everydayphotography.org\/journal\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/AndTheKingSaidWhatAFantasticMachine_H264_2K-Flat_25fps_CLEAN_20_20230227b0-1024x554.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1668\" srcset=\"https:\/\/everydayphotography.org\/journal\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/AndTheKingSaidWhatAFantasticMachine_H264_2K-Flat_25fps_CLEAN_20_20230227b0-1024x554.png 1024w, https:\/\/everydayphotography.org\/journal\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/AndTheKingSaidWhatAFantasticMachine_H264_2K-Flat_25fps_CLEAN_20_20230227b0-300x162.png 300w, https:\/\/everydayphotography.org\/journal\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/AndTheKingSaidWhatAFantasticMachine_H264_2K-Flat_25fps_CLEAN_20_20230227b0-768x415.png 768w, https:\/\/everydayphotography.org\/journal\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/AndTheKingSaidWhatAFantasticMachine_H264_2K-Flat_25fps_CLEAN_20_20230227b0-1536x830.png 1536w, https:\/\/everydayphotography.org\/journal\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/AndTheKingSaidWhatAFantasticMachine_H264_2K-Flat_25fps_CLEAN_20_20230227b0.png 1998w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-small-font-size wp-block-paragraph\">Stills from the movie <em>And the King Said, What a Fantastic Machine<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns is-layout-flex wp-container-core-columns-is-layout-8f761849 wp-block-columns-is-layout-flex\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\" style=\"flex-basis:66.66%\">\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>I find it strange that we have two things that are parallelly happening. One is that we have these tiny photographic machines in our pockets, and we create more images than ever before. And on the other hand, we consume the news daily.&nbsp;<\/strong><br><strong>And while we all know how image making happens \u2013 as we all do it \u2013 we tend to forget about the procedure behind the news, meaning the facts that someone chose an image, made the decision regarding the framing of the image, wrote a caption etc. before presenting it to us as an illustration of the news. It's strange that while we should be more visually literate in a way we are becoming more and more illiterate. What's happening?&nbsp;<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\" style=\"flex-basis:33.33%\"><\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns is-layout-flex wp-container-core-columns-is-layout-8f761849 wp-block-columns-is-layout-flex\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\" style=\"flex-basis:33.33%\"><\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\" style=\"flex-basis:66.66%\">\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Axel Danielson: <\/strong>I think you really put a finger on something there. If you think about it, we have all the information about the world at our fingertips. How come the world is not a beautiful place when the possibility of information is there? In one way, it comes down to economics. The algorithm is such a powerful tool that works almost like sugar, if you compare it to food. \u201cOh, I shouldn't eat it, right?\u201d It's so strange that although we are in an image-based society rather than a text-based society, we have no visual literacy training in school. And if you think about it, algorithms are just like the camera: they do not have intentions. They just want you to stay on the app for as long as possible. They will do whatever it takes to make that happen. These are controlled by some big companies in the United States and China and some other places. And as soon as there is a problem in society, they will call the ethics boards of these big companies and say: \"We have a problem here, what are you going to do about it?\" And then the problem solving is put in the hands of the stock owners of these huge companies.&nbsp;<br>We think that the use of the camera and its consequences has to be much more connected to us as citizens. Training people about the effects of images is super important. Last year we prepared a big project in Sweden: we showed the film and then did workshops with students to make them reflect on what they see in the media everyday. Our point is to make them understand the system without stating if something is bad or good. Our goal for this project in a couple of years is to end up with a method that the schools can use, because right now the teachers don't have a clue. They don't know what to do. The kids spend seven hours in school, and then there are nine hours of their days that they spend in front of screens. So we see a mission there for us in the realm of media and image literacy.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Maximilien Van Aertryck: <\/strong>I would add that there is something in the consumption of media in the past years that has gone towards an extreme individualisation. That seven hours we spend looking at the screen, very often, we're on our own. And I think many people share this feeling when you just wanted to look up something on Wikipedia, but then you ended up on Youtube, Instagram or Tiktok anyway. And when you put down your phone you realise that the whole experience feels meaningless. It's kind of funny but also very tragic. The question of how to teach media and visual literacy is important. Because it\u2019s not something that one well written book can solve. It's a question with what you have to engage in one way or another every day.&nbsp;<br>One goal with the film was to bring this topic to the cinema room and to bring a lot of those images that were produced for our small individual screens to the cinema so we can watch them together, and hopefully discuss them afterwards.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns is-layout-flex wp-container-core-columns-is-layout-8f761849 wp-block-columns-is-layout-flex\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\" style=\"flex-basis:66.66%\">\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong><strong>One other topic I would like to touch base on is the selfie, and what does this newfound urge to photograph ourselves does to us as a society? Inspired by Matt Colquhoun\u2019 thoughts, we as a society are in between shapes, and the urge to photograph ourselves is the way to get to know ourselves better. What is your take on the reasons why we photograph and video ourselves constantly?<\/strong><\/strong><\/p>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\" style=\"flex-basis:33.33%\"><\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns is-layout-flex wp-container-core-columns-is-layout-8f761849 wp-block-columns-is-layout-flex\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\" style=\"flex-basis:33.33%\"><\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\" style=\"flex-basis:66.66%\">\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Axel Danielson: <\/strong>Do you guys remember when the first iPhone came out with a selfie camera in 2009? Before that camera it was difficult to take a selfie because you had to hold the phone in a totally different way. Once again, it\u2019s a technical invention that when it came out became something that we use daily. Because it\u2019s a more efficient way. I remember when SMS was a new thing. Before that I had a beeper. Today, it's impossible to think about the world without texting each other, because it is such an efficient form of communication.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Maximilien Van Aertryck: <\/strong>I think the fascination for one's own face is fuelled by curiosity. It's just like when you're zooming, you're looking at your own face, because you don't see it that often. What we definitely focused on more in relation to that is when you manipulate the image of yourself, be it with the selfie camera or with another camera. Bringing an example from the film, I was fascinated by the example of the British King Edward VII and George M\u00e9li\u00e9s. M\u00e9li\u00e9s \u2013 from a very practical point of view \u2013 said that he can not film Edward\u2019s coronation because it was way too dark in Westminster Abbey. So he just recreated everything in his Paris studio \u2013 and there were no questions about the ethical side of how to use that material later on.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-block-embed-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"L&#039; incoronazione di Edoardo VII (1902) Georges M\u00e9li\u00e8s\" width=\"500\" height=\"281\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/ME6z810Zre8?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><br>Another example is <a href=\"https:\/\/courses.lumenlearning.com\/suny-artofbeinghuman\/chapter\/tools-and-their-humans\/\">Edmund Carpenter\u2019s anthropological experiment<\/a> in the late 1960s in Papua New Guinea where people who have never before seen a still image of themselves got to see it for the first time. But when that happened it didn't feel right that someone was being imposed on a technology that has no inherent use in their life.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"573\" src=\"https:\/\/everydayphotography.org\/journal\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/Screenshot-2024-02-28-at-13.29.29-1024x573.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1606\" style=\"width:554px;height:auto\" srcset=\"https:\/\/everydayphotography.org\/journal\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/Screenshot-2024-02-28-at-13.29.29-1024x573.png 1024w, https:\/\/everydayphotography.org\/journal\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/Screenshot-2024-02-28-at-13.29.29-300x168.png 300w, https:\/\/everydayphotography.org\/journal\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/Screenshot-2024-02-28-at-13.29.29-768x430.png 768w, https:\/\/everydayphotography.org\/journal\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/Screenshot-2024-02-28-at-13.29.29.png 1386w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"574\" src=\"https:\/\/everydayphotography.org\/journal\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/Screenshot-2024-02-28-at-13.29.40-1024x574.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1607\" srcset=\"https:\/\/everydayphotography.org\/journal\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/Screenshot-2024-02-28-at-13.29.40-1024x574.png 1024w, https:\/\/everydayphotography.org\/journal\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/Screenshot-2024-02-28-at-13.29.40-300x168.png 300w, https:\/\/everydayphotography.org\/journal\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/Screenshot-2024-02-28-at-13.29.40-768x431.png 768w, https:\/\/everydayphotography.org\/journal\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/Screenshot-2024-02-28-at-13.29.40.png 1384w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"573\" src=\"https:\/\/everydayphotography.org\/journal\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/Screenshot-2024-02-28-at-13.29.49-1024x573.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1608\" srcset=\"https:\/\/everydayphotography.org\/journal\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/Screenshot-2024-02-28-at-13.29.49-1024x573.png 1024w, https:\/\/everydayphotography.org\/journal\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/Screenshot-2024-02-28-at-13.29.49-300x168.png 300w, https:\/\/everydayphotography.org\/journal\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/Screenshot-2024-02-28-at-13.29.49-768x430.png 768w, https:\/\/everydayphotography.org\/journal\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/Screenshot-2024-02-28-at-13.29.49.png 1382w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-small-font-size wp-block-paragraph\"><br>Some images depicting the \u201cterror of self-awareness\u201d, a condition described by Carpenter. In the film footage of Carpenter's research we can see a man wearing a hat suddenly becoming seemingly self-conscious about the hat after receiving a Polaroid with his own image. He hesitantly takes it off, hesitantly puts it back on, and finally just stands awkwardly with his hat off, staring at the image and then back to the camera that took the image. Then after retreating to a house to be alone, he is staring at his image for over 20 minutes.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Axel Danielson:<\/strong> Let me show you a photograph. It shows Hillary Clinton during her campaign \u2013 and also shows the setup to create the most effective selfie situation.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"611\" src=\"https:\/\/everydayphotography.org\/journal\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/Screenshot-2024-02-28-at-13.24.59-1024x611.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1604\" srcset=\"https:\/\/everydayphotography.org\/journal\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/Screenshot-2024-02-28-at-13.24.59-1024x611.png 1024w, https:\/\/everydayphotography.org\/journal\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/Screenshot-2024-02-28-at-13.24.59-300x179.png 300w, https:\/\/everydayphotography.org\/journal\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/Screenshot-2024-02-28-at-13.24.59-768x458.png 768w, https:\/\/everydayphotography.org\/journal\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/Screenshot-2024-02-28-at-13.24.59-1536x916.png 1536w, https:\/\/everydayphotography.org\/journal\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/Screenshot-2024-02-28-at-13.24.59.png 2028w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-small-font-size wp-block-paragraph\"><br>Photograph: Barbara Kinney\/Hillary Clinton campaign<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The digital culture is still in its raw format \u2013 just as the industrialisation was in its first period, then it developed its rules of conduct. But it takes time. Our hope is that we can shape digital culture in this way. The camera is a huge possibility to convey the human experience if we use it in the right way. But we're not really trained to use it in that way yet. I think the amateur footage that is out there could be really something that could make people understand the value.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns is-layout-flex wp-container-core-columns-is-layout-8f761849 wp-block-columns-is-layout-flex\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\" style=\"flex-basis:66.66%\">\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Circling back to a question from the movie\u2019s press package: would this obsession with images be our downfall or not?&nbsp;<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\" style=\"flex-basis:33.33%\"><\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns is-layout-flex wp-container-core-columns-is-layout-8f761849 wp-block-columns-is-layout-flex\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\" style=\"flex-basis:33.33%\"><\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\" style=\"flex-basis:66.66%\">\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Maximilien Van Aertryck: <\/strong>There's a really interesting book that we read while making the film called <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Amusing_Ourselves_to_Death\">Amusing Ourselves to Death by Neil Postman<\/a>, which we warmly recommend for anyone to read.<br>There's something incredible in the fact that in 1985, when the book was published Postman was already criticising the way that American television was looking like. He was really predicting the kind of time in which we live now. Whenever I feel depressed about the future it's really because I\u2019m thinking about how to make people engaged in the social contract again. It feels like a huge challenge, but it's not only because of the way that we use the images, but because a lot of our physical meeting points have been dissolved in the past years. We're honest at the end of the film when we try to end it with a hopeful tone saying that there are 45 billion cameras that can be used for something super great and to bring people together again. And this is actually something that we're thinking about a lot right now as an idea for a next film, maybe. I mean, what kind of images should we watch together in the cinema that could make us organise ourselves to do something together?<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\"\/>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em>And the King Said, What a Fantastic Machine<br><\/em>85 minutes<br>Year of Production: 2023<br>Genre: Documentary<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">What happens when humanity\u2019s infatuation with itself and an untethered free market meet 45 billion cameras\u2026 Filmmakers Axel Danielson &amp; Maximilien Van Aertryck (<em>Ten Meter Tower<\/em>, <em>Jobs For All!<\/em>) widen their lens to measure the depth of humanity\u2019s infatuation with framing the world through the camera\u2019s lens; chronicling how we went from capturing the image of a backyard to a multi-billion-euro content industry in just 200 years.<\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-large is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"768\" height=\"1024\" src=\"https:\/\/everydayphotography.org\/journal\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/p25513639_p_v10_aa-768x1024.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1612\" style=\"width:359px;height:auto\" srcset=\"https:\/\/everydayphotography.org\/journal\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/p25513639_p_v10_aa-768x1024.jpg 768w, https:\/\/everydayphotography.org\/journal\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/p25513639_p_v10_aa-225x300.jpg 225w, https:\/\/everydayphotography.org\/journal\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/p25513639_p_v10_aa-1152x1536.jpg 1152w, https:\/\/everydayphotography.org\/journal\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/p25513639_p_v10_aa.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 768px) 100vw, 768px\" \/><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Directors of Photography:<br>Axel Danielson &amp; Maximilien Van Aertryck<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Edited by:<br>Mikel Cee Karlsson<br>Axel Danielson &amp; Maximilien Van Aertryck<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Interview with Axel Danielson and Maximilien Van Aertryck, directors of the movie And the King Said, What a Fantastic Machine by\u00a0R\u00f3za Tekla Szil\u00e1gyi The camera as a tool has a fascinating story. 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